- Onion_Rings
- Jan 13th 2021
- Jan 13th 2021
Share all your unpopular opinions related to k-pop here
Mine: I'm not a fan of the 2NE1 discography.
I acknowledge their achievements and their influence, but their songs are not for me.
- Jan 13th 2021
IU is the prettiest kpop female soloist
- Jan 13th 2021
intro the new world is better than gee
- Jan 13th 2021
noise music isnt as bad as what people potrayed it to be
- Jan 13th 2021
Kpop needs better produced, more current music overall to move to the next level internationally. (not a reaction, I say this all the time)
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from NaomiBlue
Kpop needs better produced, more current music overall to move to the next level internationally. (not a reaction, I say this all the time)
Kpop music production is top notch it just lacks originality.
- Jan 13th 2021
ICY > Dalla Dalla
Not Shy > Wannabe
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from QueenMaknae27
IU is the prettiest kpop female soloist
Is it that unpopular? I think you're absolutely right.
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from omnimorphism
Is it that unpopular? I think you're absolutely right.
A lot will say taeyeon or hyuna
- Jan 13th 2021
Light Mode is the best here.
- Jan 13th 2021
wheein deserves more popularity and attention, my poor baby is very under rated
- Jan 13th 2021
plastic surgery isn’t as big of a deal as fans make it out to be
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from jinaland
Kpop music production is top notch it just lacks originality.
Hm valid - although I'm not sure I agree fully (but that's why it's an interesting topic!) because while often the production is smooth and put together well from a pure sound modulation point of view, there's often a lot of disjointed parts? I know the 'it's noise!' thing is used way too often just for fanwarring, but what can bother me is how it's common to just jump into a 'hype' section or change style too suddenly, if that makes sense?
Like I call it Frankenmusic bc at times it just feels slapped together as opposed to carefully planned out or based on music theory. I love loud, banger music, but I want it to make sense to me from a musical narrative point of view and those beat drops to be earned. The best hiphop and pop producers are masters of making their music satisfying that way. The originality is the other side of it, I agree there - often the best songs in kpop that are laid out well seem like they're heavily influenced by other songs as opposed to fully fresh. (and usually songs a couple of years old at least)
- Jan 13th 2021
loona was better before lee soo man but i still like them now
- Jan 13th 2021
K-Pop instrumentals, as well layered and mixed as they can be, are out of touch with international audiences due to their low volume.
I'm not talking about EDM (or as some K-Pop fans like to call it, 'noise') music, but that instrumentals in general need to be louder relative to vocals. It's obvious that companies are trying to appeal to international fans yet the chart-topping songs in most parts of Europe/North America/South America have distinct, loud tracks which overshadow the vocals at times.
This has been the trend for a better part of a decade now. I'm frustrated that K-Pop tracks often hide their amazing productions behind vocals for no good reason. Just a few examples of K-Pop songs which did a better job at this (and were subsequently popular among international fans) are Black Swan, Dynamite, Back Door, Feel Good, BOSS, Bang Bang Bang, HYLT, Kill This Love, 4D, etc...
I suppose it's a trait of pop music to have the melody predominantly narrated by vocals but that's quickly fading from relevance even in Pop music. Although some companies / artists are adapting, it's a rather slow process and I feel that it hampers K-Pop's ability to achieve mainstream relevance internationally.
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from NaomiBlue
Hm valid - although I'm not sure I agree fully (but that's why it's an interesting topic!) because while often the production is smooth and put together well from a pure sound modulation point of view, there's often a lot of disjointed parts? I know the 'it's noise!' thing is used way too often just for fanwarring, but what can bother me is how it's common to just jump into a 'hype' section or change style too suddenly, if that makes sense?
Like I call it Frankenmusic bc at times it just feels slapped together as opposed to carefully planned out or based on music theory. I love loud, banger music, but I want it to make sense to me from a musical narrative point of view and those beat drops to be earned. The best hiphop and pop producers are masters of making their music satisfying that way. The originality is the other side of it, I agree there - often the best songs in kpop that are laid out well seem like they're heavily influenced by other songs as opposed to fully fresh. (and usually songs a couple of years old at least)
The thing that makes kpop music different from western pop music is it's mixture of genres, arrangement and unconventional composition. Maybe more experimental? We can't expect Billie Eillish or Twenty One Pilots from kpop. But we can expect unorthodox structure and composition from kpop. Maybe it feels disjointed at first. It's because people are not adapted to it. But listening to it after several times you will realise how those unexpected turns are so smooth & fun. Also western music critics are interested in kpop because of this uniqueness, those unexpected beat & melody changes. I follow one Canadian kpop music reviewer and reading his reviews make me appreciate production quality of kpop music more. At the same time western pop music is losing it's originality too. So I think it is a good opportunity for groups like NCT, SKZ and Atee*z. They have really great production team. Not to mention NCT has whole western producers. Also their music feels more up to date and original to me.
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from jinaland
The thing that makes kpop music different from western pop music is it's mixture of genres, arrangement and unconventional composition. Maybe more experimental? We can't expect Billie Eillish or Twenty One Pilots from kpop. But we can expect unorthodox structure and composition from kpop. Maybe it feels disjointed at first. It's because people are not adapted to it. But listening to it after several times you will realise how those unexpected turns are so smooth & fun. Also western music critics are interested in kpop because of this uniqueness, those unexpected beat & melody changes. I follow one Canadian kpop music reviewer and reading his reviews make me appreciate production quality of kpop music more. At the same time western pop music is losing it's originality too. So I think it is a good opportunity for groups like NCT, SKZ and Atee*z. They have really great production team. Not to mention NCT has whole western producers. Also their music feels more up to date and original to me.
I respect that, even tho' I disagree!
I personally think NCT, SKZ, and Atee*z are mostly using older EDM sounds and production as opposed to the new, hip-hop banger style techniques and layering they would need to sound current? I see the way it's mixed up as very different. I agree on pop being stale, but I think that's why hip-hop dominates in the west and especially America. Much more creativity and interesting sounds coming out of it. Like listening to the top 20 viral songs on AM and Spotify it's mostly HH and it sounds nothing like kpop. Where kpop sounds like old EDM to me.
But I avoid saying 'western producers' because I think great production can come from anywhere in the world, and often I think Kpop, because it pays less, isn't usually using A++ offerings and producers regardless of where they're from? Also, they need more creative rapping and flows to be respected if they're going with the rap-heavy music styles.
So - but I recognize this is just my opinion! - I don't think NCT/SKZ/ATZ will break big until they do have 2021 tiktok sounds if they want to be noisey and they freshen up their rap.
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from NaomiBlue
Display MoreI respect that, even tho' I disagree!
I personally think NCT, SKZ, and Atee*z are mostly using older EDM sounds and production as opposed to the new, hip-hop banger style techniques and layering they would need to sound current? I see the way it's mixed up as very different. I agree on pop being stale, but I think that's why hip-hop dominates in the west and especially America. Much more creativity and interesting sounds coming out of it. Like listening to the top 20 viral songs on AM and Spotify it's mostly HH and it sounds nothing like kpop. Where kpop sounds like old EDM to me.
But I avoid saying 'western producers' because I think great production can come from anywhere in the world, and often I think Kpop, because it pays less, isn't usually using A++ offerings and producers regardless of where they're from? Also, they need more creative rapping and flows to be respected if they're going with the rap-heavy music styles.
So - but I recognize this is just my opinion! - I don't think NCT/SKZ/ATZ will break big until they do have 2021 tiktok sounds if they want to be noisey and they freshen up their rap.
I strongly agree with your points.
The current trend of hip hop beats extends even into much of today's pop music because it allows for variations, switch ups and distinct beats without getting stale. Good examples off the top of my mind would be Post Malone, Juice WRLD and Lil Nas X.
- Jan 13th 2021
JYP is one of the most handsome idols ever
- Jan 13th 2021
BOSS is NCT's best song till date.
- Jan 13th 2021
DNA is one of my fav BTS title tracks only second to Spring Day
- Jan 13th 2021
Quote from omnimorphism
Is it that unpopular? I think you're absolutely right.
her beauty is so ethereal im no my knees
- Jan 13th 2021
I actually like the auto tune here and there :D
But not when it’s used in attempts to cover up the lack of vocal skills tho...
- Jan 13th 2021
same as old forum: some company stans are still cringey.
- Jan 14th 2021
I don't understand the point of those visual battles, talent battles etc. Since everyone will vote for their faves.
- Jan 14th 2021
Its okay to say an idol is unattractive and still stan them
Saying theyre outright ugly is rude obviously but saying you dont find them attractive doesnt make you a "fake fan". Youre not going to find everyone in kpop attractive, Is it rlly that hard to understand? smh
- Jan 14th 2021
stayc so bad and weeekly tag me were the best gg debuts in 2020
- Jan 14th 2021
Quote from zanded
Display MoreK-Pop instrumentals, as well layered and mixed as they can be, are out of touch with international audiences due to their low volume.
I'm not talking about EDM (or as some K-Pop fans like to call it, 'noise') music, but that instrumentals in general need to be louder relative to vocals. It's obvious that companies are trying to appeal to international fans yet the chart-topping songs in most parts of Europe/North America/South America have distinct, loud tracks which overshadow the vocals at times.
This has been the trend for a better part of a decade now. I'm frustrated that K-Pop tracks often hide their amazing productions behind vocals for no good reason. Just a few examples of K-Pop songs which did a better job at this (and were subsequently popular among international fans) are Black Swan, Dynamite, Back Door, Feel Good, BOSS, Bang Bang Bang, HYLT, Kill This Love, 4D, etc...
I suppose it's a trait of pop music to have the melody predominantly narrated by vocals but that's quickly fading from relevance even in Pop music. Although some companies / artists are adapting, it's a rather slow process and I feel that it hampers K-Pop's ability to achieve mainstream relevance internationally.
What? I always think it's the exact opposite. I always feel like the instrumental overpowers the vocals and I want to hear richer vocals form the idols
- Jan 15th 2021
Quote from SunriseSeulgi
stayc so bad and weeekly tag me were the best gg debuts in 2020
Stop reading my mind.
- Jan 15th 2021
Arin kinda looks like irene. The unbitchy version of irene
- Jan 15th 2021
Quote from glowello
What? I always think it's the exact opposite. I always feel like the instrumental overpowers the vocals and I want to hear richer vocals form the idols
I also have the feeling that the instrumentals are pretty high volume in K-pop and sometimes it sounds like they are competing with or overpowering the vocals. I also prefer more focus on the vocals.
- Jan 15th 2021
Xiumin is an ace and people needs to know it
- Jan 15th 2021
ON was bts best comeback in 2020
- Jan 15th 2021
Quote from omnimorphism
Is it that unpopular? I think you're absolutely right.
I think shes an elite visual if she were a kpop idol
- Jan 15th 2021
Watching korean female influencers tells me the anorexic standard for kpop females is entirely a boomer management thing. Why would you make minju lose all her curvy body???
- Jan 15th 2021
Itzy and GIDLE are the best girl groups
- Jan 15th 2021
"So What" is LOONA's best title track.
- Jan 15th 2021
Do I use this section to talk about K-pop or the K-pop music section? I'm tired of repeating myself. I've got a headache already.
- Jan 15th 2021
BP IS THE BEST #1 ALL DAY EVERY DAY
- Jan 15th 2021
jimin tae jungkook have the best visuals in bts
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